Questions1. What evidence would convince you that the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker is not extinct?
- Clear pictures
- Clear video
- catching one
- Hearing it
- Bird eggs
2. Evaluate the merit of the video as scientific evidence.
I don't think the video hade enough scientific evidence because the bird flying with white on it's wings could have been another species also the video recorder wasn't fully angle
Questions
1. What is the conflict between Brad and Mary in terms of the scientific process? Make a list of Brad's arguments and valid pieces of evidence and Mary's response to each.
Brad
1. Hard to get high quality video in field, more than 17,000 hours of sound recordings that include some "kent" calls typical for Ivory-Bills.
2. If wait too long, may miss chance to protect last surviving bird, more difficult to keep operation secret.
3. Seven people have seen the bird fly by.
Mary
1. Blue jays and nuthatches also make "kent" calls. Should forget piece of evidence and wait to see actual Ivory-Bill making sound.
2. Is fame more important then good science? If evidence is wrong, then millions of dollars have been spent on protecting a phantom bird when it could have been spent on protecting living endangered birds.
3. Hope those seven people have good eyesight.
2. What do you think about Brad's concern that by waiting with the announcement they could miss their chance to save the birds?
I think Brad should do it because if you don't someone else will come alone and do it and would have stole all of the handwork that you worked for.
3. Imagine you are the owner of a company that owns the logging rights adjacent to the area of the woodpecker sightings, or a biologist trying to protect the habitat of another endangered species in another part of the state. Do you think they would be satisfied with the same amount of evidence in this case as Brad? Why/why not?
If I was the owner of a company, the evidence given wouldn't satisfy me and make me stop the production of my company because it is not clear enough to even know if it is even the bird. Also even if they did have a better video i would like to see it in person and know how many of them are left i would stop production for just one bird.
4. What is the right amount of evidence? How can you determine the answer to that question?
I think the right amount of evidence would be a clear video, picture of the bird, me seeing the bird face to face i would need all of these to have really believe.
5. Give other examples of public discourse, policy decisions, or controversial issues where your insights from this case could be applied.
The research/"discovery" of BIG FOOT
6/7. Decide how much evidence you would need to accept the claim that the Ivory-Bill Woodpecker is not extinct/ is extinct?
I would need clear video and pictures of a bird or DNA evidence to accept claim that the Ivory-Bill is not extinct. Also where/what happened to it for it to be classified as extinct.
8. Put yourself in Brad's position- what would you have told the reporter?
I would have told the reporter that the information is good because its not about having my name in/on a book but the fact is that if i don't do it someone else would come around and do it and would take all the handwork that i put into this and not publishing my video because i wanted to find better proof s that people would question and have to only believe that this bird is not extinct and still does exist.
9. Does it matter to you who presents the evidence?
Yes it does it would strongly matter to me like if i took the video i deserve to put it up but if wasn't me and it was some else i would them to do it because they took the video.
10. Who presented the evidence in the real Ivory-Billed Woodpecker case (who was present at the press conference)?
Brad Murkey
- Clear pictures
- Clear video
- catching one
- Hearing it
- Bird eggs
2. Evaluate the merit of the video as scientific evidence.
I don't think the video hade enough scientific evidence because the bird flying with white on it's wings could have been another species also the video recorder wasn't fully angle
Questions
1. What is the conflict between Brad and Mary in terms of the scientific process? Make a list of Brad's arguments and valid pieces of evidence and Mary's response to each.
Brad
1. Hard to get high quality video in field, more than 17,000 hours of sound recordings that include some "kent" calls typical for Ivory-Bills.
2. If wait too long, may miss chance to protect last surviving bird, more difficult to keep operation secret.
3. Seven people have seen the bird fly by.
Mary
1. Blue jays and nuthatches also make "kent" calls. Should forget piece of evidence and wait to see actual Ivory-Bill making sound.
2. Is fame more important then good science? If evidence is wrong, then millions of dollars have been spent on protecting a phantom bird when it could have been spent on protecting living endangered birds.
3. Hope those seven people have good eyesight.
2. What do you think about Brad's concern that by waiting with the announcement they could miss their chance to save the birds?
I think Brad should do it because if you don't someone else will come alone and do it and would have stole all of the handwork that you worked for.
3. Imagine you are the owner of a company that owns the logging rights adjacent to the area of the woodpecker sightings, or a biologist trying to protect the habitat of another endangered species in another part of the state. Do you think they would be satisfied with the same amount of evidence in this case as Brad? Why/why not?
If I was the owner of a company, the evidence given wouldn't satisfy me and make me stop the production of my company because it is not clear enough to even know if it is even the bird. Also even if they did have a better video i would like to see it in person and know how many of them are left i would stop production for just one bird.
4. What is the right amount of evidence? How can you determine the answer to that question?
I think the right amount of evidence would be a clear video, picture of the bird, me seeing the bird face to face i would need all of these to have really believe.
5. Give other examples of public discourse, policy decisions, or controversial issues where your insights from this case could be applied.
The research/"discovery" of BIG FOOT
6/7. Decide how much evidence you would need to accept the claim that the Ivory-Bill Woodpecker is not extinct/ is extinct?
I would need clear video and pictures of a bird or DNA evidence to accept claim that the Ivory-Bill is not extinct. Also where/what happened to it for it to be classified as extinct.
8. Put yourself in Brad's position- what would you have told the reporter?
I would have told the reporter that the information is good because its not about having my name in/on a book but the fact is that if i don't do it someone else would come around and do it and would take all the handwork that i put into this and not publishing my video because i wanted to find better proof s that people would question and have to only believe that this bird is not extinct and still does exist.
9. Does it matter to you who presents the evidence?
Yes it does it would strongly matter to me like if i took the video i deserve to put it up but if wasn't me and it was some else i would them to do it because they took the video.
10. Who presented the evidence in the real Ivory-Billed Woodpecker case (who was present at the press conference)?
Brad Murkey